DQ3 - 6/29/17
Hi, all. DQ3 questions should be based on The Sun Also Rises pages 40-80 and/or 80-120. As before, the questions are due by seven tonight, and the reading up to page 120 is due tomorrow. Thanks for another great discussion. Looking forward to your thoughts tomorrow. Keep watch on the Announcements on our Blackboard page for how to start searching for Academic Essays that I mentioned today. I highly recommend starting to search for articles of interest, and to look at the texts we'll be reading next via the schedule for the class, to see which text interests you most. This will be part of your homework this weekend, besides another group of pages from TSAR
Parker Mealey
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1. So far in this story, it seems like most of the talking is done by characters other than Jake, such as Brett and Michael. Since Jake is the narrator, why is this so? Jake seems like more of a background character than any of the others, even though the story is told from his POV.
2. Why does Cohn choose not to tell Jake about how he was supposed to meet Brett in San Sebastian? Is it because he feels guilty about liking a woman other than Frances? Or does he not want word getting back to her? Cohn has confided in Jake about everything up until now, so why does he choose to hide this from him?
Ethan Vaughan 6/28
ReplyDeleteIn the next few chapters of The Sun Also Rises, quite a bit of drama occurs mainly due to the ongoing argument between Robert and Frances over their marriage or lack thereof. After their public argument, Frances departs for England and Robert leaves for the country. Is traveling to escape issues something that was more prevalent on a worldwide basis during this time period or is it specific to Hemingway’s characters?
When Frances begins to argue with Robert in public, Jake does not step in and attempt to quell the argument for at least the time being. Why does Jake take such a passive role in the argument even when he was involved in it from the start because Frances pulled him aside to talk about Robert?
Kylie Rodriguez
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1. In The Sun Also Rises, Cohn hung out with Brett and didn't tell Jake, but why is he being weird with Jake when they're out together? Is he embarrassed? Does he not want to say anything because he doesn't want to ruin their friendship, but why did he even go with Brett? If Brett didn't want to go alone, she could've asked someone else and he could've said no.
2. Why was Jake dry with Brett in the beginning of the 40 pages we are to read tonight? Was it because Jake met Michael and didn't want to feel attached to Brett? Maybe it was because he didn't want to interfere with the relationship between Brett and Mike, although Brett is clearly interested (a little at least) in Jake?
1) When Jake, Cohn, and others go on their trip, Hemingway takes large amounts of texts to describe the scenery and seemingly small occurrences like two donkeys sleeping in the road. this seems uncharacteristic of him considering he is renowned for getting straight to the point in his literature. Why would he suddenly be extravagantly depicting seemingly unimportant situations?
ReplyDelete2)Jake begins to pray in chapter 10 and does it in a very non-religious manner, it reminded me of a child asking for gifts from Santa Claus, and then afterwards he feels ashamed for being a rotten catholic. could this be Hemingway expressing his views on absurdism?
Evan Smyser
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1. In Chapter 9, when Michael asks to go on the fishing trip to Spain with Jake, Michael is very hesitant and repeatedly asks Jake the same question. He seems as if he is trying to draw a response from Jake other than a yes. Is this due to Michael's previous inappropriate behavior, or does he know that Jake and Brett have a 'history' together?
2. Jake explained that Cohn was acting rather odd during lunch as soon as they arrived to their destination in chapter 10. He thought it may have been due to Brett being on the trip to San Sebastian with Cohn. What may have happened on that trip that would make Cohn act awkwardly around his friends?
DeleteCarolyn Collins
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In chapter 7 of The Sun Also Rises, Brett mentions how useful having a title is. Is this why she is remarrying so fast after just being divorced, so she can keep a title? What did it mean to have a title back in that time period and what were the benefits?
In chapter 9, Brett reveals to Jake that she met up with Cohn when she vacationed in San Sebastion. Why didn’t Brett or Cohn tell Jake about this beforehand? Brett then asks Jake if it would be “too rough” on Cohn if they all go to Spain together. Why would it be hard on Cohn if Brett goes with them?
When Bill and Jake are on the train on the way to Pamplona they run into a group of catholics on a pilgrimage. The catholics are part of a organized group on a trip that has a exact purpose and meaning. Bill and Jake’s lives are always about traveling and finding the new best thing. They never seem to have a final location or any sense of organization. Does the fact that the catholics on the train stand for everything they are not add to their emotional insecurity?
ReplyDeleteAfter Cohn meets up with Jake he still does not mention the fact that he went on a trip with Brett. Although Jake already knows there is still tension between both of them. Why is Cohn being so secretive about the trip when Brett and Jake are not even together? Does he feel bad and if so why did he go in the first place?
Tyler Crane
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After being very fond of Robert Cohn in the early chapters of the novel, Jake begins to dislike him after hearing he was with Blake in San Sebastian. At one point in chapter 12, Jake calls Cohn “pitiful”. This makes me question whether Hemingway is commenting on the Jealous tendencies of men or if Jake and Cohn`s friendship was not as strong as thought to be.
It seems like no matter what the characters in The Sun Also Rises are doing or where they are, there is alcohol present. Does this drinking pertain particular to the characters, or was it just a part of the culture at the time?
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After reading pages 80 to 120 in the sun also rises by Ernest Hemingway it left me with two questions the first is why is Brett such a confusing character. She says in one chapter that she is in love with Jake but she is marrying a different man? Brett also invites Robert Cohn on a trip with her to San Sebastian and makes Jake feel jealous?
The second question is why does Brett even want to go to a fishing trip in Spain with all guys if she is not even going to fish? Does she go just because she is bored of Paris? Or does she want to cause more drama and make Jake feel bad?
Keagan Giblin
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In chapter 9 Mike asks Jake if he and Brett can join them on their trip to Spain. Jake says yes and later Brett explains how she is hesitate about going because Robert will be there. She ends up writing Robert asking him if he would mind her going. Why does he say he has no problem with her coming? If he really loves her and he knows she does not love him wouldn't he not want her to come?
In chapter 9 Bill and Jake are on a train to Bayonne to meet Robert that is filled with Catholic people. Both Bill and Jake are angry that the Catholics get served lunch first. However, in chapter 10 Jake finds himself alone praying at a Catholic church for everyone he knows. Why would he start praying out of the blue?
Kevin Clifford
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In the “Sun Also Rises” from pages 80-120 I can see how Brett still has very mixed feelings for Jake. However when they all go out for drinks you can see that she is with another man. They even get really close in front of Jake and talk about how they want to leave early. Is Brett doing this to make him jealous, or does she actually care about the other man?
My second question from this reading is why is Cohn refraining from telling Jake about him and Brett’s fling? I thought they were good friends in the beginning of the book, but I am starting to realize that may not actually be the case. Its not like Jake and Brett were ever really together, so it shouldn't even be that big of a deal.
Kylie Simmons
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After reading, I have come up with two questions regarding the characters and their actions and feelings. My first question arises from Bill and Jake's vacation. When Jake and Bill board the train and realize it is filled with Catholics, why does this seem to bother them so much? Especially Jake, as he is Catholic himself, and even prays deeper into the story.
My second question revolves around Jake and Cohn’s relationship. Why does Cohn flirt with Brett, when he is well aware that Jake and Brett are “in love?” Jake and Cohn seem to be growing apart as the story progresses. Are there feelings of jealously between the two of them and their respective relationships?
6/28/17
ReplyDeleteWhen Bill and Jake are on the crowded bus with the Basques and they start sharing wine and drinks, Jake continuously drinks, even as he goes to the hotel room. With Jake Drinking a lot do you think it reflects Brett's drinking or do you think he is in a downward spiral like Brett?
Later on in the story, Bill and Jake hang out and start joking a lot when Jake then admits his love for Brett when Bill simply asks. Do you think that Jake actually did love Brett or was just saying that because he was still a bit protective? Also at this point he says he "did" love Brett, do you think he still does?
Brieanna Graves
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My first question is in the 9th chapter we find out how Brett is 34 years old and learn more about her past relationships. Why did Hemingway decide to state this about Brett so far into the book rather than at the beginning like most authors do. Was this a way to make the reader tempted to keep reading.
My second question happens in chapter 10, Cohn acts weird toward Jake and Bill, because he isn’t sure if they know he took a trip with Brett. Is there a reason why he may not want them to know about their relationship/friendship?
Daniella Alamo
ReplyDeleteIn class we spoke about how Hemingway used catharsis and Roman a clef in The Sun also Rises to tell his own personal story. Was this a common writing practice during this time? Would many say that the process of purging his emotions didn’t help much considering he ended up committing suicide later on in his life?
In the next few chapters many things occur including Brett running off to San Sebastian with Cohen. Why does she feel the need to always have men around her? She is currently in the middle of a divorce, about to get re married, and is traveling Europe with another man. Is this need to always have men adore her a side effect of trauma from the war? Does her alcoholism have anything to do with it?
Jake and Brett have an extremely confusing relationship throughout the whole story, yet have obvious feelings for each other. Brett was aware that she would be hurting Jake’s feelings when she stood him up for their date, yet did it anyway. She claims she forgot about the date because she was drunk, yet she showed up to Jake’s house with Count Mippipolous. Do you believe she actually forgot about the date due to being drunk, or is she hiding something?
ReplyDeleteCohn was aware of Jakes feelings towards Brett, yet he continues to try and seduce her, even though he’s supposed to be with Frances. However, Cohn remains unaware that Brett is in love with Jake. Do you think if Cohn was aware of Brett’s feelings for Jake, he would continue to flirt with her?
Lauren Fiorito
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I’m finding it hard to understand what Brett’s intentions are. First she is in love with Jake, but then spends the majority of her time with the Count, she also is still in the process of getting a divorce while already planning a marriage with Mike, and now she is going on road trips with Cohn. It makes me question if Brett is really a good person and one of the “chaps” or if she is just playing with everyone’s feelings and emotions, and why?
In class we talked about foil characters and how they bring out differences in each other. Cohn is the only character that really has no war background, has a different religion than the rest, and has lots of money. He brings out all the things that Jake, Bill and the majority of the other characters have in common. He is even set apart when he and Brett had a date, and lies to Jake about it, which makes Jake resent him. In the story Bill and Jake even discuss how awful Cohn is, so why do they still keep him around?
Karina Amalbert
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Right before the novel reveals Robert’s intentions to send Frances to England, a specific quote stood out to me during Jake and Robert’s conversation in Jake’s office. Robert was speaking on his still bothersome desire to take a trip to South America but was held back as he stated “I’ve gotten certain obligations to her,” referring to Frances. As we discussed in class, could this correlate to Cohn’s flip-flop personality of wanting to be free but also being in need of a women in his life? Could we make the argument Cohn has similarities to Brett’s attitude concerning life partners?
The novels seems to be broken up into different “books” which each portray a different meaning to the novel. How does the first book affect the overall meaning of the novel and is it of importance? How does this stylistic technique Hemingway incorporated into the novel shift the readers understanding?
In chapter X, Jake is doing certain things to constantly irritate Cohn. Do you think this is because Cohn had an affair with Brett and Jake is low-key salty about it since he is in love with Brett?
ReplyDeleteWhen the gang left for their fishing trip, Brett and Mike stopped in San Sebastian because Jake told them to. Why do you think Jake told Brett to meet up in San Sebastian? Is it because he doesn't want her to come on the fishing trip? Or is it because he doesn't want Jake to find out they had an affair?
Sean Butler
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Relationships between the characters in the recent chapters have seemed to be diminishing much more noticeably. For example, Cohn and Jakes relationship is slowly drifting away as Cohn had an encounter with Brett but does not say anything to Jake. Does Cohn think that if he tells Jake he will react in a negative way? Or is he not saying anything because he doesn't want to lose Jake as a friend?
Also what really confused me was how Bill and Jake were getting annoyed at all the Catholic people and how they get to be served first, then of all of a sudden Jake is by himself praying. So was Jake hiding his true religion from Bill? If he was then what is the reason to be hiding it?
Isabeau Cordes
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1.Brett is constantly being described as beautiful by the other characters, through dialogue to her face and between the other characters. In chapter 8 Mike keeps repeating “You’re a lovely piece” to Brett. Is this sort of glorification of Brett’s beauty as her main characteristic just a result of how Hemingway thought of women, or does is have a deeper literary meaning?
2.At the end of chapter 10 Bill and Jake discuss Robert Cohn and how much they dislike him. What purpose does it serve to have a character in the story that the other characters dislike so much? And why would they go with him to Spain if they dislike him so much?
Mr. Hemingway did a great job of portraying the relationships between the characters. Over time Jake and Roberts friendship weakens, Jake even says that he's jealous of Robert. Do you think they will remain friends?
ReplyDeleteIn chapter ten Jake says "She wanted to get out of town and she can't go anywhere alone. She said she thought it would be good for him"(Hemingway,107). From what Jake said, I'm convinced that Brett jumps from relationship to relationship because she's afraid of being alone. Why do you think she's afraid of being alone? Do you think it has something to do with her experience as a nurse in the war?
1. Both Jake and Cohn suffer at the hands of woman but in different ways. Brett constantly screws with jakes emotions while Frances verbally and physically assaults Cohn regularly. What is it that caused the men to stick around for so long and why do you think Cohn eventually freed himself but Jake has not yet?
ReplyDelete2. It seems like Jake spends a lot of his time with dealing with other men who have connections to Lady Brett Ashley and all of those connections are some sort of love interest. In chapter 5 we see Cohn begin to feel for her as well. Considering their history and his love for her how do you think this affects Jake? Is that why he was so short with Cohn while at lunch? How I will this play into the rest of the novel?
Kayla Camarillo
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After reading the next pages I am still confused as to why Brett does certain things. She seems as if she doesn’t completely know what she wants. I know we discussed in class today that she is described as a beautiful woman, could this be a big factor in why she has been with so many men? I also feel like maybe she just has commitment problems. Could this be because of her past? I wonder if Brett eventually ends up marrying someone and whether it is Jake, Mike, or even a new character.
This is just a general question about the entire novel but I noticed how Hemingway talks about sports a lot. He mentions boxing, bullfighting, and fishing. Could this mean something complex or just simply his way of letting people know he enjoyed these types of sports?
Olivia Longshore
ReplyDeleteIn Chapter 6 of The Sun Also Rises, Jake, Cohn, and Frances all end up at a restaurant where Frances then pulls Jake aside to tell her himself that Cohn does not love her and is leaving her. Jake and Francis then proceed to walk back to the restaurant where Cohn is. Frances then begins to completely humiliate Cohn in public by defiling his character through a series of attacks. Why did Frances talk in private to Cohn’s best friend (Jake) and also humiliate Cohn in front of him? Is it because she wanted Jake to be on her side or because she wanted to take away the one friend Cohn had to further hurt him?
I’ve noticed throughout reading The Sun Also Rises that although Jake is the narrator and arguably the main character, he does not have much dialogue. He mostly is just observant of his surroundings and the things going on around him. Why does Hemingway do this?
Jesse Spear
ReplyDelete"He was the archivist, and all the archives of the town were in his office. That has nothing to do with the story." this is such a strange statement why does Hemingway keep this in is it to explicitly remind the reader this is a retelling of events or is it to make the story seem like it was written in a book by Jake himself who left this in?
In the story when Robert Cohn speaks it sometimes refers to him as Robert and sometimes as Cohn what is the significance of the differentiation because it would seem Hemingway wold be one to use the different names in specific situation when Cohn is acting or feeling different; So when is the name swapped and why.
my first question after todays discussion and after reading the next 40 pages is this, why does Hemingway choose to use such vulgar language and words when describing people of a different race? Is it because he is trying to represent the way people spoke about African Americans back then or is it simply because he is actually racist ?
ReplyDeletemy second question after todays discussion is, if Jake is the narrator of this novel then, why is there so much dialogue going on? is this a technique Hemingway may be using or is it just by sheer coincidence? Also, I would like to know what point of view the book is written from since Jake is the narrator but theres so many other people speaking throughout the book.
In Chapter 9, Michael ask Jake if he and Brett can go with him to Spain. Also Brett tells Jake that she didn't go to San Sebastian alone, she went with Cohn. She plays it off and says oh you didn't know like it wasn't a big deal. If Brett loves and cares about Jake so much why does she continue to taunt him with other guys? I think it is kind of "low" of her and it doesn't seem like her character.
ReplyDeleteWhen Michael ask Jake to go to Spain why doesn't he say no? I feel like it obviously bothers Jake but he allow Brett to continuously play with his emotions. Why does Jake not stick up for himself and put a foot down? Brett obviously is different than the other women in the story but is she really so superior that Jake is afraid to tell her no?
1. In class we discussed the issue of alcoholism that Brett faces throughout the story. It seems to have become apparent, however, that casual drinking is far more common in this time period. An example of this is seen in chapter 11 when the bus full of strangers were all drinking together in the middle of the day. Does this reflect how society viewed alcohol consumption? Or was this exclusively an issue to Cohn and the rest of the characters?
ReplyDelete2. In chapter 12 Bill and Jake leave to go fishing from the home they're staying in. Jake becomes fixated on "Pity and irony," two things he sees necessary to be a good writer. Is this something that Hemingway prides himself in using effectively? Where does this fixation originate from?
Anthony Duarte
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Throughout “The Sun Also Rises” it seems as if Jake and Cohn are very close friends but it starts to seem like they were never really as close as it looked. For example, Brett and Cohn ended up going on a trip together without telling Jake. First off all Cohn knew that Jake was in love with Brett so why would he go with Brett to Spain if he already knew that?
Secondly, why would Brett go on a trip with Cohn if she truly loved Jake and knows that Cohn and Jake were supposedly good friends? It seems like Brett is just going around messing with everyone’s feelings. She is still in the process of getting divorced as she is planning on getting married again and claims to love Jake but then goes on a trip with Cohn. This also makes us question her moral integrity.